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		<title>By: donald shue</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/whos-the-king/#comment-2496</link>
		<dc:creator>donald shue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swatch is beyond a shadow of a doubt is &quot;The King!!!!!&quot; Not because of the number of watches they actually sell or even produce under their labels,but because of their ownership of Eta-Valjouix.You have Swatch ranked 5th on your list,but those conglomerates ranked 1 through 4 all purchase many of their movements through #5.Remember the old Pam&#039;s with eta 6497 and the many chrono&#039;s using Valjouix 7750,7751,7736,7720etc...............even Franck  Muller uses eta.Swatch deserves the crown.Poor,poor Rolex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swatch is beyond a shadow of a doubt is &#8220;The King!!!!!&#8221; Not because of the number of watches they actually sell or even produce under their labels,but because of their ownership of Eta-Valjouix.You have Swatch ranked 5th on your list,but those conglomerates ranked 1 through 4 all purchase many of their movements through #5.Remember the old Pam&#8217;s with eta 6497 and the many chrono&#8217;s using Valjouix 7750,7751,7736,7720etc&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;even Franck  Muller uses eta.Swatch deserves the crown.Poor,poor Rolex.</p>
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		<title>By: Badir Mo</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/whos-the-king/#comment-2473</link>
		<dc:creator>Badir Mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have perfectly explained Rolex positioning in the market and how the perception that it is the best watch out there came about. Excellent observations. I would like to ask you about Breitling and Ulysse Nardin positioning and how would you rank them among the above mentioned brands</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have perfectly explained Rolex positioning in the market and how the perception that it is the best watch out there came about. Excellent observations. I would like to ask you about Breitling and Ulysse Nardin positioning and how would you rank them among the above mentioned brands</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Liew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor Liew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I would have to say Rolex is the King.

In my experience, here in Malaysia, most &quot;beginner&quot; watch collectors, especially those with new found riches would initially avoid Rolex because of the perceived &quot;Chinese businessman&quot; stigma attached - so they perhaps they try a Patek, Vacheron or one of those outrageously priced &quot;new&quot; brands to show so class and individuality. But...

They inevitably get a Rolex. Why?

Call it a nagging feeling somewhere at the back that perhaps they are missing something. It may be the power of Rolex&#039;s marketing over the years, but for me personally, it is an honest watch with only one thing in mind - to make the most accurate, durable mechanic wristwatch. In that sense, that is why their Celini collection has been a total failure because it has deviated from what the public perceives as a Rolex.

Then there is the issue of real selling price.

Here in Malaysia, the sought after Rolexes (usual culprits) are sold at a premium. Whereas Patek and Vacherons are available for between 25 - 40% off! The more expensive, the higher the discount. The reason is obvious... 

The retailer has to face the cost of holding a relatively little in demand watch. It is a business decision. Patek etc can&#039;t do anything as the retailer has fulfilled it&#039;s obligation of carrying the stock and there are previous few retailers/distributors who can afford to carry the product, so the watch company can&#039;t be too fussy about price protection.

What is going to be interesting is the situation with the financial calamity. 

Who is going to survive? 

Without a doubt your Rolex, Patek, Vacheron, Cartier, Piaget... will survive but what about those so-called new brands that have flooded the market recently which IMHO have only have superflous decorations to justify a high price

Great article. A real gem.

Victor Liew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I would have to say Rolex is the King.</p>
<p>In my experience, here in Malaysia, most &#8220;beginner&#8221; watch collectors, especially those with new found riches would initially avoid Rolex because of the perceived &#8220;Chinese businessman&#8221; stigma attached &#8211; so they perhaps they try a Patek, Vacheron or one of those outrageously priced &#8220;new&#8221; brands to show so class and individuality. But&#8230;</p>
<p>They inevitably get a Rolex. Why?</p>
<p>Call it a nagging feeling somewhere at the back that perhaps they are missing something. It may be the power of Rolex&#8217;s marketing over the years, but for me personally, it is an honest watch with only one thing in mind &#8211; to make the most accurate, durable mechanic wristwatch. In that sense, that is why their Celini collection has been a total failure because it has deviated from what the public perceives as a Rolex.</p>
<p>Then there is the issue of real selling price.</p>
<p>Here in Malaysia, the sought after Rolexes (usual culprits) are sold at a premium. Whereas Patek and Vacherons are available for between 25 &#8211; 40% off! The more expensive, the higher the discount. The reason is obvious&#8230; </p>
<p>The retailer has to face the cost of holding a relatively little in demand watch. It is a business decision. Patek etc can&#8217;t do anything as the retailer has fulfilled it&#8217;s obligation of carrying the stock and there are previous few retailers/distributors who can afford to carry the product, so the watch company can&#8217;t be too fussy about price protection.</p>
<p>What is going to be interesting is the situation with the financial calamity. </p>
<p>Who is going to survive? </p>
<p>Without a doubt your Rolex, Patek, Vacheron, Cartier, Piaget&#8230; will survive but what about those so-called new brands that have flooded the market recently which IMHO have only have superflous decorations to justify a high price</p>
<p>Great article. A real gem.</p>
<p>Victor Liew</p>
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		<title>By: ali Kutlu</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/whos-the-king/#comment-944</link>
		<dc:creator>ali Kutlu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the last 6 months I bought two Hublot watches,
one Big Bang and one Big Bang King.
The look of the watches are amazing.
I compaired Rolex with Hublot but I bought anyway Hublot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the last 6 months I bought two Hublot watches,<br />
one Big Bang and one Big Bang King.<br />
The look of the watches are amazing.<br />
I compaired Rolex with Hublot but I bought anyway Hublot</p>
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		<title>By: chee wai</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/whos-the-king/#comment-913</link>
		<dc:creator>chee wai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the king of watches only needs to be rated on 1 criteria, and one only. quality. longevity, reliability and accuracy are all determined by its quality. price, quantity perception, means nothing to me when it comes to &#039;who&#039;s the king?&#039; in a way, the article answers nothing. not that it was a bad article. 

in my opinion, 1 and only 1 criteria should determine the king. 

i don&#039;t have the info or resources to find that out. but i&#039;ve always been told, perceived rolex is the king. but... i don&#039;t have all the info to make a correct judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the king of watches only needs to be rated on 1 criteria, and one only. quality. longevity, reliability and accuracy are all determined by its quality. price, quantity perception, means nothing to me when it comes to &#8216;who&#8217;s the king?&#8217; in a way, the article answers nothing. not that it was a bad article. </p>
<p>in my opinion, 1 and only 1 criteria should determine the king. </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t have the info or resources to find that out. but i&#8217;ve always been told, perceived rolex is the king. but&#8230; i don&#8217;t have all the info to make a correct judgement.</p>
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		<title>By: bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article, and fanstatic analysis!!!</description>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/whos-the-king/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect every thing you said nice article will like to add more but this article is well made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect every thing you said nice article will like to add more but this article is well made.</p>
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		<title>By: Van</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/whos-the-king/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rolex made it possible for the everyman to have a luxury timepiece&quot;  thereby defeating one of the points of &#039;Luxury&#039; (e.g. exclusivity)...

I respect Rolex, but have no desire to own one for several reasons.
-You might be buying a respected name, but the value for money fails me.  The performance is no better than many other automatics availible for a quarter (or less) of the same price.  For the same money, I could have a Panerai.
-Too many knock-offs and homages; the value of the true thing has been degraded by the flood of counterfeits and copies.  The assumption in many circles is that a Rolex is fake unless proven otherwise.  I&#039;ve gotten to the point where I won&#039;t even buy a watch with mercedes (Rolex style) hands.
-The mindless me-toos...  This is especially bad in political circles, where everyone tries to dress like the boss, who dresses like his boss, ad nauseum, in their petty and self-serving games of influence and power.  These are also the folks who will vapidly chirp &quot;Rolex is the BEST!&quot; without being able to articulate a rational reason why.

To be fair, my issues aren&#039;t with the watch per se, but the people who kowtow to them, the people who try to pay cash to purchase prestige, and the parasites that exploit Rolex&#039; style through homages, replicas, and knock-offs.

It&#039;s sad that a good timepiece has become the hallmark of the inane parvenu.

What is right with Rolex;
-A real Rolex is a good watch.
-I&#039;m very impressed with Rolex certified watchmakers.  I won&#039;t take a mechanical watch of any brand to a watchmaker who isn&#039;t a Rolex trained technician.
-They could double their prices and still sell almost as many, but they have chosen to restrain themselves.
-They certainly retain their value.

My big concern about the market is the Rolex versus Omega issue, as it highlights the Swatch Group&#039;s growing domination of the under $5000, European made, market.  Even MontBlanc uses a Swatch Group, ETA movement.  I&#039;d much rather see a more diverse market where the king has to really stay on his toes to retain the crown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rolex made it possible for the everyman to have a luxury timepiece&#8221;  thereby defeating one of the points of &#8216;Luxury&#8217; (e.g. exclusivity)&#8230;</p>
<p>I respect Rolex, but have no desire to own one for several reasons.<br />
-You might be buying a respected name, but the value for money fails me.  The performance is no better than many other automatics availible for a quarter (or less) of the same price.  For the same money, I could have a Panerai.<br />
-Too many knock-offs and homages; the value of the true thing has been degraded by the flood of counterfeits and copies.  The assumption in many circles is that a Rolex is fake unless proven otherwise.  I&#8217;ve gotten to the point where I won&#8217;t even buy a watch with mercedes (Rolex style) hands.<br />
-The mindless me-toos&#8230;  This is especially bad in political circles, where everyone tries to dress like the boss, who dresses like his boss, ad nauseum, in their petty and self-serving games of influence and power.  These are also the folks who will vapidly chirp &#8220;Rolex is the BEST!&#8221; without being able to articulate a rational reason why.</p>
<p>To be fair, my issues aren&#8217;t with the watch per se, but the people who kowtow to them, the people who try to pay cash to purchase prestige, and the parasites that exploit Rolex&#8217; style through homages, replicas, and knock-offs.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad that a good timepiece has become the hallmark of the inane parvenu.</p>
<p>What is right with Rolex;<br />
-A real Rolex is a good watch.<br />
-I&#8217;m very impressed with Rolex certified watchmakers.  I won&#8217;t take a mechanical watch of any brand to a watchmaker who isn&#8217;t a Rolex trained technician.<br />
-They could double their prices and still sell almost as many, but they have chosen to restrain themselves.<br />
-They certainly retain their value.</p>
<p>My big concern about the market is the Rolex versus Omega issue, as it highlights the Swatch Group&#8217;s growing domination of the under $5000, European made, market.  Even MontBlanc uses a Swatch Group, ETA movement.  I&#8217;d much rather see a more diverse market where the king has to really stay on his toes to retain the crown.</p>
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		<title>By: sml</title>
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		<dc:creator>sml</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the watch of kings, and the king of watches&quot;: patek 
philippe.
but if you are a poor wis like me, then rolex is the obvious choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the watch of kings, and the king of watches&#8221;: patek<br />
philippe.<br />
but if you are a poor wis like me, then rolex is the obvious choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion Patek Philippe surely is the King of the Watch Industry. As a real Master it does not have to fight like Rolex and Omega. Nevertheless these brands are fantastic as well.

Personally I cherish my Breitling Windrider Crosswind and for daily use a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sunnywatches.com/watches/tw-steel/tw-70-grandeur-diver-oversized-watch.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; TW Steel
TW70&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion Patek Philippe surely is the King of the Watch Industry. As a real Master it does not have to fight like Rolex and Omega. Nevertheless these brands are fantastic as well.</p>
<p>Personally I cherish my Breitling Windrider Crosswind and for daily use a <a href="http://www.sunnywatches.com/watches/tw-steel/tw-70-grandeur-diver-oversized-watch.html" rel="nofollow"> TW Steel<br />
TW70</a>.</p>
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