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		<title>By: Harold Overdijk</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/what-did-web-20-do-for-horology/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Overdijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alonbj. It'll be a slow, incremental roll-out. We should talk perhaps this summer ? Where ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alonbj. It&#8217;ll be a slow, incremental roll-out. We should talk perhaps this summer ? Where ?</p>
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		<title>By: alonbj</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/what-did-web-20-do-for-horology/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>alonbj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Harold: Thanks for the reaction. Interesting views! Please do share your new projects as soon as you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Harold: Thanks for the reaction. Interesting views! Please do share your new projects as soon as you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Overdijk</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/what-did-web-20-do-for-horology/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Overdijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing. 

You know what it really is about ? Control. 

Just like many content producers (record industry, movies, newspapers, photographers), brands are afraid of loosing control of the message, their brand. So.. instead of creating evangelists out of their biggest fans, and letting the internet do the work for them.. they try to restrain it. 

Guess what.. yeah.. you know the answer. Music is never being ripped right ? Watches are never being sold online outside the official dealer network. Right ? 

But you know.. you just need a very different breed of people to try to manage "anarchy".... or better said: to try to organize yourself in a networked environment.  That's what Web 2.0 is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing. </p>
<p>You know what it really is about ? Control. </p>
<p>Just like many content producers (record industry, movies, newspapers, photographers), brands are afraid of loosing control of the message, their brand. So.. instead of creating evangelists out of their biggest fans, and letting the internet do the work for them.. they try to restrain it. </p>
<p>Guess what.. yeah.. you know the answer. Music is never being ripped right ? Watches are never being sold online outside the official dealer network. Right ? </p>
<p>But you know.. you just need a very different breed of people to try to manage &#8220;anarchy&#8221;&#8230;. or better said: to try to organize yourself in a networked environment.  That&#8217;s what Web 2.0 is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Overdijk</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/what-did-web-20-do-for-horology/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Overdijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. I have to disagree and agree. Agree: In one of our own meetings someone (an older generation type) told us a year ago... "ahhh the internet.. really it will go away".. after having lived in Silicon Valley for 4 years that was quite an interesting statement. There's definitely a lot of closed mindedness in the industry, especially by an older, already successful generation. (Either successful (and thus lazy), or in the process of going bankrupt like hundreds of retailers in the USA).. there's not much in between). 

The whole industry is led by older men who are not always to new ideas. Peter Drucker wrote a cool article with an extensive analysis of the jewelry industry much like the ongoing discussion for the watch industry. I believe it was publised in JCK Journal, Winter 2006. 

I THINK you can find it after the jump (their site was down when I tried it) 
www.jckonline.com/article/CA6320875.html

We think that the younger generation is a very different breed however. Unfortunately they didn't make it to CEO yet. 

About web 2.0. Web 2.0 goes a bit further than what you describe it is, or could be. While I agree it's about building communities, it's equally about creating different business models and I would say "Communication models". We're working on some "stuff" ourselves, so obviously we cannot mention all our ideas. 

But think about what a social graph can do for items/topics people are passionate about. Such as sports. Or Fashion. Think about what branding can do: from introducing into a social graph to advergames. 

Or better even.. just give me what I need and I will make my own branding and marketing message by meshing the cool videos, images, information of my favorite brand into whatever I like: from fashion trends to seasonal holidays. Who needs some cookie-cutter marketing bullshit movie anyway ? Perhaps the baby boomers do... brings me back to old men... (jussstt kidding.....) 

Chief Internet Evangelist 
Stealth Jewelry and Watch start-up. 
Amsterdam-San Francisco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. I have to disagree and agree. Agree: In one of our own meetings someone (an older generation type) told us a year ago&#8230; &#8220;ahhh the internet.. really it will go away&#8221;.. after having lived in Silicon Valley for 4 years that was quite an interesting statement. There&#8217;s definitely a lot of closed mindedness in the industry, especially by an older, already successful generation. (Either successful (and thus lazy), or in the process of going bankrupt like hundreds of retailers in the USA).. there&#8217;s not much in between). </p>
<p>The whole industry is led by older men who are not always to new ideas. Peter Drucker wrote a cool article with an extensive analysis of the jewelry industry much like the ongoing discussion for the watch industry. I believe it was publised in JCK Journal, Winter 2006. </p>
<p>I THINK you can find it after the jump (their site was down when I tried it)<br />
<a href="http://www.jckonline.com/article/CA6320875.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jckonline.com/article/CA6320875.html</a></p>
<p>We think that the younger generation is a very different breed however. Unfortunately they didn&#8217;t make it to CEO yet. </p>
<p>About web 2.0. Web 2.0 goes a bit further than what you describe it is, or could be. While I agree it&#8217;s about building communities, it&#8217;s equally about creating different business models and I would say &#8220;Communication models&#8221;. We&#8217;re working on some &#8220;stuff&#8221; ourselves, so obviously we cannot mention all our ideas. </p>
<p>But think about what a social graph can do for items/topics people are passionate about. Such as sports. Or Fashion. Think about what branding can do: from introducing into a social graph to advergames. </p>
<p>Or better even.. just give me what I need and I will make my own branding and marketing message by meshing the cool videos, images, information of my favorite brand into whatever I like: from fashion trends to seasonal holidays. Who needs some cookie-cutter marketing bullshit movie anyway ? Perhaps the baby boomers do&#8230; brings me back to old men&#8230; (jussstt kidding&#8230;..) </p>
<p>Chief Internet Evangelist<br />
Stealth Jewelry and Watch start-up.<br />
Amsterdam-San Francisco</p>
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		<title>By: Shared Sentiment On Online Watch Sales And Manufacturer Internet Presence &#124; aBlogtoRead.com</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/what-did-web-20-do-for-horology/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Shared Sentiment On Online Watch Sales And Manufacturer Internet Presence &#124; aBlogtoRead.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the watch loving/selling community, there is an excellent article on Fratell0watches.com (linked to Watch Freaks) on the topic of &#8220;Web 2.0 and horology.&#8221; The idea seems to be that watch makers (of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and the watch loving/selling community, there is an excellent article on Fratell0watches.com (linked to Watch Freaks) on the topic of &#8220;Web 2.0 and horology.&#8221; The idea seems to be that watch makers (of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: alonbj</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear RJ,

excellent post! We have discussed this subject already couple of times and I have several hats on: an authorized dealer, WatchFreak and TechFan. 

As authorized retailer I am VERY frustrated that we are not permitted to sell online. I wrote several posts about it on our companies blog (www.aceblog.info) and we decided this year that we are going to be the first Dutch jeweler that will have a luxury eBoutique. Unfortunately we will NOT be able to sell, all the brands we represent in our physical stores, online.

As a WatchFreak, I am amazed by the fact that the watch industry is completely ignorant about internet... Especially Web 2.0! Not only is a fraction of their marketing budget allocated to online advertisement/marketing, although almost every consumer starts watch shopping online. Besides that, all the brands stick their heads in the sand like an ostrich and do not want to see what is happening outside the doors of their factories. This in relation to so-called grey-markets, fake watches and/or online sales, but also to innovations in other industries that compete with the watch industry if it comes to consumer spendings (think of Apple-products/Flat-screen tv/etc).

As as a TechFan (Technology Fan) I am amazed by the fact how watch brands neglect the fact to exploit the possibilities of internet to the fullest! None of them let authorized retailers sell online, but none of them sell online themselves! I understand the fact that they don't sell online (yet), but at least learn from other (industries). I won't start about after-sales services... That we can write a complete article about (hint ;) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear RJ,</p>
<p>excellent post! We have discussed this subject already couple of times and I have several hats on: an authorized dealer, WatchFreak and TechFan. </p>
<p>As authorized retailer I am VERY frustrated that we are not permitted to sell online. I wrote several posts about it on our companies blog (www.aceblog.info) and we decided this year that we are going to be the first Dutch jeweler that will have a luxury eBoutique. Unfortunately we will NOT be able to sell, all the brands we represent in our physical stores, online.</p>
<p>As a WatchFreak, I am amazed by the fact that the watch industry is completely ignorant about internet&#8230; Especially Web 2.0! Not only is a fraction of their marketing budget allocated to online advertisement/marketing, although almost every consumer starts watch shopping online. Besides that, all the brands stick their heads in the sand like an ostrich and do not want to see what is happening outside the doors of their factories. This in relation to so-called grey-markets, fake watches and/or online sales, but also to innovations in other industries that compete with the watch industry if it comes to consumer spendings (think of Apple-products/Flat-screen tv/etc).</p>
<p>As as a TechFan (Technology Fan) I am amazed by the fact how watch brands neglect the fact to exploit the possibilities of internet to the fullest! None of them let authorized retailers sell online, but none of them sell online themselves! I understand the fact that they don&#8217;t sell online (yet), but at least learn from other (industries). I won&#8217;t start about after-sales services&#8230; That we can write a complete article about (hint <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: JP - Men's Watch Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP - Men's Watch Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. 

Manufacturers who truly understand how powerful the Internet and web 2.0 are, are definitely using this to their advantage and benefiting greatly from it.

-JP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. </p>
<p>Manufacturers who truly understand how powerful the Internet and web 2.0 are, are definitely using this to their advantage and benefiting greatly from it.</p>
<p>-JP</p>
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		<title>By: Horology and the Web &#171; Tick Talk</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/what-did-web-20-do-for-horology/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Horology and the Web &#171; Tick Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Horology and the&#160;Web   Published March 19, 2008   watches Tags: watches      Here is a great post at WatchFreaks about how the web and horology are intermingling. Check it out here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Horology and the&nbsp;Web   Published March 19, 2008   watches Tags: watches      Here is a great post at WatchFreaks about how the web and horology are intermingling. Check it out here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Rakowski</title>
		<link>http://watchfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/what-did-web-20-do-for-horology/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Rakowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Layout and design.  I like your blog.  I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader.  .

Jason Rakowski</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Layout and design.  I like your blog.  I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader.  .</p>
<p>Jason Rakowski</p>
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		<dc:creator>UpComingCamera.Info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; what did web 2.0 do for horology?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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